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Registration Form 2022
Public pseuds (especially if your dw handle isn't the one we know you by on lj/twitter):
Current favourite fandom:
Current OTP (or OT3 etc):
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!):
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here:
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself:
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s):
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas:
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances):
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those:
For reasons that don’t need exploring at this juncture I won’t be staying for the pizza party.
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits?
Hummus or sour cream dips?
Coke or juice?
I said coke and my preferred version is:
I said juice and I prefer apple/orange/other:
Coffee or tea?
Whole fat, half, or trim milk?
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! (DM me the g/t bank account):
Subs are $33 same as always. I'm not going to post my bank account publicly here (I think it was always in a locked post back when we were all comm members) but you should mostly have it from previous years. If you need it again, note it below and I'll send you a DM.
Registration Form 2022
Public pseuds (especially if your dw handle isn't the one we know you by on lj/twitter):
Current favourite fandom:
Current OTP (or OT3 etc):
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!):
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here:
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself:
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s):
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas:
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances):
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those:
For reasons that don’t need exploring at this juncture I won’t be staying for the pizza party.
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits?
Hummus or sour cream dips?
Coke or juice?
I said coke and my preferred version is:
I said juice and I prefer apple/orange/other:
Coffee or tea?
Whole fat, half, or trim milk?
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! (DM me the g/t bank account):
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Date: 2022-09-21 11:54 pm (UTC)Public pseuds (especially if your dw handle isn't the one we know you by on lj/twitter): arysteia everywhere
Current favourite fandom: THE PREQUELS ARE GOOD ACTUALLY! Or maybe just Obi-Wan Kenobi
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): Anakin/Obi-Wan
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): Finishing up my Smallville rewatch and listening to the Talkville podcast; technically I'm having a Star Wars Renaissance too, and love it again for the first time in a decade, way less inevitable but quite powerful
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here: Hot take -- I do miss the days when you had to work to find gaps in canon. Not saying suffering is good (suffering leads to the dark side!) but I personally don't feel particularly compelled to read fic for relationships I already feel satisfied by. And I'm officially a curmudgeon now, so I certainly don't want to read fic for canon relationships I don't feel satisfied by, I probably already abandoned the show.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself: N
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s): Y - how our relationships with fandom are evolving as we age, as fandom ages, as the world evolves; maybe also how the firehouse of ~content~ and the asynchronous nature of streaming is making it harder to form interactive as opposed to passive fandom experiences; ooh, eta: are there *any* moral obligations on fiction? like, clearly the morality police can fuck off, but what about fascism and so on, does fiction normalise some political leanings, something something, let me think more...
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas: LOL N
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances): prawn horns with hell chilli, chicken tenders with bbq, lemon pepper wedges with sour cream
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those: $25
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? Crudites
Hummus or sour cream dips? Salsa
Coke or juice? Water for my sins
I said coke and my preferred version is: Not any more, baby
Coffee or tea? Tea
Whole fat, half, or trim milk? Trim
chruskit
Date: 2022-09-22 12:29 am (UTC)Public pseuds (especially if your dw handle isn't the one we know you by on lj/twitter): chruskit, dip_cheese
Current favourite fandom: The Locked Tomb
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): Jod/Augustine/Mercymorn (yes I am ashamed)
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): coming in late to the party seems to be more my MO (for which the main one would probably be The Old Guard)
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here: I think mostly it has reduced my tolerance for reading fic I don't enjoy, which is probably a good thing
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself: -
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s): -
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas: I think I'm gonna struggle to have the energy to do it, sorry
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances): 1 crumbed camembert with cranberry sauce, 1 stuffed pepper belles with sweet chilli
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those: $19
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? More chips
Hummus or sour cream dips? Sour cream dips
Coke or juice? Coke
I said coke and my preferred version is: Diet Coke is my true 2022 fandom renaissance
Coffee or tea? N/A
Whole fat, half, or trim milk? N/A
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! (DM me the g/t bank account): My rego+hell is coming via shihadchick
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Date: 2022-09-22 12:47 am (UTC)Current favourite fandom: still Tolkien. Always Tolkien. Sadly I can’t squeeze ANOTHER presentation out of it. I read a little in the untamed and svsss and bts.
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): Fingon/Maedhros.
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): ELVES
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here:
Hm. Necessary. Reading fic is like breathing. I don’t really seriously have any western canons with actual gay, though; I feel like the delicate homoerotic subtext of Hugo and (arguably) Tolkien do more than the old school media fandoms, but much less than the current canon gay canons. I like that half-twilight, that soft grey that could also be pink.
I think it’s similar for the untamed: the show leaves enough unsaid and undone that the ground is fertile for fiction. SVSSS is a rare flower, but so many things are unresolved and the whole concept is so delightful that I have imaginative space for reading fic. I DON’T really read any TGCF, though, and I think that’s because it’s mxtx’s most fully imagined and worked-out m/m romance. I don’t need more.
Puriteens... There’s a crop of earnest young twenty somethings in Tolkien and they are sweet, but the things they want and write ring no bells in me, and if I worried about audience reception, they would potentially chill some of mine when writing. But I do not.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself: sorry, a blank
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s): sorry, a blank
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas: sure, moderating discussions is my day job
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances):
Lust pizza, snack with thin stretched base (sexy sounding!), no lashings of sauce.
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those: $13
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits?
Have you met me? candy
Hummus or sour cream dips?
N/a
Coke or juice?
N/a
I said coke and my preferred version is:
N/a
I said juice and I prefer apple/orange/other:
N/a
Coffee or tea?
Philosophically, coffee, but in practice I’ll supply my own.
Whole fat, half, or trim milk?
N/a
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Date: 2022-09-29 04:48 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2022-09-22 12:59 am (UTC)Current favourite fandom: hockey and women's cricket
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): Jack Roslovic/Sean Kuraly
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): STAR WARS NEVER DIES (It just spends some time in a bacta tank)
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? [snip] (...wow there's a blast from the mailing list past lol) Sometimes it means I want fic less bc there's not as much 'missing' from what I enjoy, other times it's just nice not having to worry about getting kicked in the metaphorical shins. Also preaching to the choir but add a side of words mean things and random ppl need to learn what isn't actually queerbaiting ffs! ...also tbh on an rpf front queer rep from cis men remains borderline nonexistent but I have so many delightful lesbians and bi women to enjoy in cricket and that fucking rules.
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances): milk chocolate unholy doughnut, warewolf kids meal with either drink option. (They do run out of those sometimes and if so wedges w sour cream is also fine.)
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those: $16, plus I'll cover Chris's (aus)
[redacted things I have no preference for]
Coke or juice? coke
I said coke and my preferred version is: My demon mistress red coke please
💜 ty once again and always, bb.
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Date: 2022-09-22 08:39 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2022-09-22 01:09 am (UTC)Current favourite fandom: Losing my mind over Nona the Ninth
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): I...don't think I have one right now?
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): WHEEL OF TIME, BABY
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here: Still incredibly necessary and often better thought out than canon (but!!! not always.) Interesting stuff to ponder about the difference between *queer* rep & canon same-sex relationships.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s): TikTok/YouTube/the Internet By Video and the impact on fandom
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas: Yes, probably
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances):
For
political reasonsreasons that don’t need exploring at this juncture I won’t be staying for the pizza party.More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? Chips
Hummus or sour cream dips? Salsa if possible?
Coke or juice? Tap water, like a boring person
Coffee or tea? Tea
Whole fat, half, or trim milk? Half
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Date: 2022-09-22 01:17 am (UTC)Niiiice.
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From:no subject
Date: 2022-09-22 01:50 am (UTC)Current favourite fandom: I'm too tired to feel like reading fic but if by fandom you mean 'thing I want to yell about with my friends', 9-1-1 and Borgen
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): as above not reading much but slightly tinhatting Sui/Han (drift compatible pairs skaters)
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): I refollowed a bunch of figure skating accounts after the Olympics
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here:
TOO MANY PURITEENS. THEY ARE SO BORING. I'm finding better and more queer rep (and fannish energy, not quite the same thing) in books scratches some of my fic itch. I'm also often less fannishly interested in canon queer couples even if I like them, because part of what I enjoy is being Conspiracy String Board Guy about subtext. (That's what's fun about fire trucks - actual queer rep! PLUS two dudes being subtextually weird about each other as in days of yore.)
Actual Food
For reasons that don’t need exploring at this juncture I won’t be staying for the pizza party. (arriving after the pizza party, same diff)
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? crudites
Hummus or sour cream dips? sour cream or yoghurt
Coke or juice? juice
I said juice and I prefer apple/orange/other: orange
Coffee or tea? tea
Whole fat, half, or trim milk? Whole
Paid to the account I had on file from 2020!
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Date: 2022-09-22 08:29 am (UTC)hazel
Date: 2022-09-22 01:57 am (UTC)Current favourite fandom: I had a months-long affair with firetrucks AKA 9-1-1 but now I am back to reading potterfic and god only knows what else.
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): I don't believe in love
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): it's not so much a renaissance as an endless dark age. we have no new science here.
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here: fic is still necessary, like there is only so much tv of "two mans, one braincell" you can watch before you want a deeply introspective 100k epic about said braincell realising it has a feeling via fake dating. looking at you, 9-1-1.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself: lol if you want some discourse on the effect of section 53 of the legislation act 2019, I'm your woman. I've got the powerpoint slides already planned out.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s): repetitive storytelling as a source of comfort ie why there are ten thousand fake dating fics where they realise they have a mutual feeling 73% of the way in - across fandoms and time. why do I like it so much?
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas: ???
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances): a snack buffalo and some crumbed camembert with cranberry sauce
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those: $22.50
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? I will bring myself some beef jerky and cheese.
Coke or juice? water
Re: hazel
Date: 2022-09-22 09:33 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2022-09-22 02:17 am (UTC)Public pseuds (especially if your dw handle isn't the one we know you by on lj/twitter):
sonsofdurin
Current favourite fandom:
I can't choose just one :( How you define favourite? I'm still reading mostly SVSSS fic, but Dragon Age and Star Wars have a permanent grip on my heart, and I'm obsessing over a new kdrama every week but they don't have eng fandoms
Current OTP (or OT3 etc):
Bingqiu? Wangxian? I haven't been OTP centric recently, more generally into shows/movies
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!):
Interview with the Vampire is the big one from me this year - if it had finished airing before G/T I would've considered doing a presentation! - but it is so close and dear to my heart that I don't want to get too excited before it comes out just in case it's terrible
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here:
Fic is always necessary! It's never been something that I look for to fix the canon, more to fill in missing details or going down an alternative trouser leg of time. Sometimes I think "better" (but more boring) canon rep is a a fic fandom killer (for me at least) because I almost never enjoy reading about happily committed couples - there needs to be something missing, either a get together or something else. I think this is one reason why the Wangxian has been so popular in transformative fandom, because it straddles the line of canon but also not, with an open ending.
there are way too many puriteens around, and I don't know if it's a Gen Z specific problem or just american cultural imperialism manifesting puritanism/evangelical beliefs in a woke hat
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances): chicken tenders, crumbed camembert, and lemon pepper wedges with sweet and sour, sweet chili, and garlic mayo for sauce!
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those:
$26
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits?
crackers and chips
Hummus or sour cream dips?
both! I'm particularly fond of lisa's feta and spinach dip
Coke or juice?
coke
I said coke and my preferred version is:
vanilla
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! (DM me the g/t bank account): yes please, I just realised I don't have g/t saved as a payee
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Date: 2022-09-22 04:59 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2022-09-22 06:31 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2022-09-22 08:37 am (UTC)Current favourite fandom: I'm still kind of in CQL/Untamed RPF and am slowly dipping my toes into other Chinese fandoms
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): I'm a chronic multishipper and at the moment that's manifesting in being really into a bunch of different pairings for my two favourite women from Sisters Who Make Waves (aka Langjie) s3, Liu Lian and Yu Wenwen.
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): does Fire Emblem count? I need to pick the new game back up but it certainly reminded me of all my feelings, especially for my favourite charming schemer Claude von Riegan.
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here:
A lot of the time what makes me want fic isn't that my pairing don't get together in canon. (In fact I mostly ship non-canon pairings.) Fic is necessary to me because there's something about canon that I want more of, or I want to fix, or to explore, or to see a different angle on. That's usually a plot thing. Sometimes it's a relationship thing but it's very seldom a ship thing.
I agree with the comments others have made about The Untamed being a good mid-point in terms of providing a satisfying arc but also leaving a lot of room for imagination and work.
Lastly, in terms of queer representation, it's still overwhelmingly rare in major genre media properties (in the West or anywhere else) to center a queer couple. So for people like me who like to slash the main character, we'll have lots of room to play for a while yet.
Edit: came back to add my thoughts on the puritanism thing. My experience with this in recent times has unfortunately not been confined to young people who don't know better - if I had to generalise I'd say it's people who are newer to fandom and for some reason have brought a 50s mindset to relationships with them, heteronormativity, fetishizing virginity and all.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself: I could do something spinning off the end of my presentation? I was thinking something about the migration from danmei to BL.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s): N/A
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas: Only if the participants agree to address me as Your Honour....Kidding.
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances): snack sized Mischief with a thin stretched base and olives, flame kissed
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those: $14.50
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? Chips!
Hummus or sour cream dips? Hummus
Coke or juice? N/A
Coffee or tea? N/A
Whole fat, half, or trim milk? N/A
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Date: 2022-09-22 09:12 am (UTC)Public pseuds: Mab_Browne most places although I have a coupla different writing pseuds
Current favourite fandom: Supernatural
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): I have set sail on the ocean of Destiel (any recs for good Megstiel gladly accepted though)
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): Sentinel, S&H, and Maiden Rose are sort of keep the home fires burning fandoms right now
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here:
I'm interested in particular dynamics I guess, and I'm not tied to the how do they get together trope? If I get those dynamics in canon queer relationships then fic is good regardless. (Except in the case of Magnus Archives, where I was pretty alienated from the fandom zeitgeist, in part because the fandom did skew young.)
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself: No thoughts, head empty
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s): As above
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas: N.
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances):
GLUTEN FREE Greed double size
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those: $24.50
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? Chips please
Hummus or sour cream dips? No preference
Coke or juice? No thanks
Coffee or tea? Both are good
Whole fat, half, or trim milk? I'll provide my own lactose free, thanks. Anyone who needs to is welcome to share. :-)
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Date: 2022-09-22 11:07 am (UTC)Current favourite fandom: Shadowhunters and 9-1-1 (including Lone Star)
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): Alec/Magnus
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): I'm always having feels for things, and Kenobi certainly Stirred Up Things, but not a major renaissance at the moment
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here:
My lazy answer is...it depends. There are queer characters/relationships I enjoy and won't necessarily seek out fic, but I've spent the last year (!!) in Shadowhunters fandom reading fic for a canon queer pairing. Enjoyed a lot of close to canon AUs and stories expanding on what we did get on-screen. Fortunately the 400 year age gap possibly drove away the worst of the puriteens. But I still love a good old-fashioned subtextual pairing (hello Bucky and Eddie).
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself: Silly little Fanfic Out of the Closet topic that I have, about how public profile of fanfic has changed in the last 25 years (ie in my experience since I got online and found it).
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s): having a mental blank (unless I come back and do a stealth edit)
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas: I am your loyal servant for whatever is needed (as long as it doesn't involve eating spicy food or driving in parts of Wellington)
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances): Snack sized Gluttony and crumbed camembert with cranberry.
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those: $21.50.
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? Chips and crudites
Hummus or sour cream dips? Sour cream dips (but salsa and hummus also nice)
Coke or juice? Coke or water
I said coke and my preferred version is: I wish I could say n/a but Coke Zero
Coffee or tea? n/a
Whole fat, half, or trim milk? n/a
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Date: 2022-09-22 10:09 pm (UTC)Current favourite fandom: My Country: The New Age, but also K Drama fandom, generally (which I will talk about in my presentation - it really is a very different fandom experience!) I'd also say vidding, which is kind of its own fannish microcosm in many ways
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): Seo Hwi/Nam Seon-ho (My Country: The New Age)
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): I'm currently replaying Dragon Age: Inquisition so I guess that counts?
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here:
Fic is always necessary IMO! I have never been SUPER drawn to canonical queer pairings fannishly (Black Sails being the exception), but my fannish journey the last two years has been quite different as I've been solely in Chinese and Korean fandoms and the very Westernised notion of Queerbaiting isn't relevant (or shouldn't be, but god help me the puritans will come yelling it anyway)- the shows that I have gravitated towards have had what is essentially a canon queer pairing, but not explicitly stated as such and so fic (and vids) are very much wanted - my current show has an extremely tragic ending and while I am never a big proponent of "fixit" fic, I find myself craving something like it in this fandom- what-if scenarios without lowered stakes, missing scenes etc etc
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself: I hadn't thought of anything but if anyone is keen to take up vidding, I could run a very quick 101 workshop thingy? IDK if that's something that anyone would be into or not, but if so, happy to do this. Would also happily lead a discussion on the state of fandom vidding practices if that's something folks would be into.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s): n/a
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas: I feel like I would be terrible at this, so my answer is lol no
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances: No allergies/intolerances and Francis will include our order on his sign-up
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? Chips
Hummus or sour cream dips? Sour cream dips, please
Coke or juice? Coke Zero, please!
Coffee or tea? n/a
Whole fat, half, or trim milk? n/a
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Date: 2022-09-23 10:50 pm (UTC)Ha, my ears pricked up at this: Kdrama presentation, yess! It took me a moment to remember it's a figure of speech. *facepalms*
(Btw, am now half an hour into My Country: The New Age, and it seems great. I wasn't expecting it to be fun! ♥)
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Date: 2022-09-22 10:22 pm (UTC)Public pseuds (especially if your dw handle isn't the one we know you by on lj/twitter): frankles, previously wheeflop but I’ve changed them all now
Current favourite fandom: everything Yang Se-jong but let’s say My Country: The New Age
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): Hwi/Seon-ho
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): I think that requires engaging with fandom in some way, rather than having![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
nu_breed send me all my fannish content pre-filtered lol
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here:
Queer rep is great and important but it’s defined very narrowly these days. If the only valid queer rep states their queerness explicitly and kisses their queer partner on screen, where does that leave the whole universe of everything else we have to work with? If your show can’t show the kiss because of the country it comes from, is that less valid? It might be wildly progressive for its context but get completely dismissed or called queerbaiting or a bromance (yells about MCTNA) because no one stands up and declares they’re gay and in love.
Side note, queerbaiting is not what people think it is! It is a marketing situation where they hint at (or straight up say there is) queerness to bring in the audience then don’t deliver. It isn’t “my OTP have wild chemistry but didn’t get together”, that’s a difference between the creative team and the audience - queerbaiting is the actual bait-and-switch/lie told to bolster the audience. It’s actually really rare! It happens but nowhere near as much as the wider internet thinks it does.
Anyway I think my answer to the question is that I don’t engage with wider fandom because I like my fandom experience to come from people I already know and trust.
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances): Double Mayhem on thin stretched base
Prawn horns with sweet chilli
Crumbed Camembert with cranberry
(Jointly with![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
nu_breed)
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those: $44
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? I will eat all of them
Hummus or sour cream dips? All dips are good dips
Coke or juice? Coke
I said coke and my preferred version is: no sugar or zero
Coffee or tea? None
Whole fat, half, or trim milk? None
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! (DM me the g/t bank account): yes I think we usually give you cash but we do have money in an nz account this year so let’s send it the polite way
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Date: 2022-09-23 04:39 am (UTC)Current favourite fandom: Shadowhhunters, with a growing sideline in KPop (mostly BTS, but also sort of ATEEZ and SHINee)
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): Alec/Magnus, nothing in KPop has really reached OTP status yet. Maybe Namgi idk.
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): I am always a step away from dipping my toe back in certain fandoms, but honestly this year it's been mostly SH all the way down except for brief visits to other fics.
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here:
I have spent all this year reading fic about a canon queer pairing, but then whether a ship is canon or not often has little bearing on whether I search out fic for it or not, it just has to grab me in someway, or leave me wanting more. There are still canons where I am perfectly happy with what is put on screen/page and have no desire to search out fic for (Good Omens for example) or ones where the screen/page is good but I want more/better (Shadowhunters). Better(?) queer rep hasn't changed my relationship with fic - I'll still hunt it out - and there is still some things it just does better than canon.
But yeah there too many puriteens, but I mostly just see them in the tweets, not in my direct fandoms content rn (but uh lol I am sure there are heaps in KPop fandom so yep).
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself: not really
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s): I'm always interested in the conversations around how people find fic and how that is changing with The Youth and if people would be into a recommendations engine or similar. Or small changes that would be good to see on AO3 to help findability. </ bring your job to fandom>
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas: I feel others might be better suited, but if need be, happy to help :)
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances): Snack sized Purgatory with thin stretched base, corn nuggets with chipotle mayo
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those: $21.50
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? I'm fine with them all.
Hummus or sour cream dips? Sour cream over hummus but all fine
Coke or juice? Coke
I said coke and my preferred version is: Classic but if it's getting down to just me with that particular preference I am happy to provide my own
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Date: 2022-09-23 05:22 am (UTC)Public pseuds (especially if your dw handle isn't the one we know you by on lj/twitter): DW: Dewey, Twitter: lmwdewey
Current favourite fandom: on fringes of Marvel, Star Wars, and Star Trek
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): You know, I don’t really have a current OTP, just memories [tiny violin]
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): No, but willing to be inspired!
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? […]: I’ve always liked the gaps in canon and how people fill them so canon queer doesn’t really affect that for me. That said, I’ve had very little inclination to read fanfic for a while so [shrugs]. I’m reading lots of mm romance so I guess that fills my reading itch. Fandom itself is limited these days to what I’m seeing people share on Twitter.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself: Sorry, no.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s): Anything I was pondering is covered - I’m really looking forward to arysteia‘s ideas. I think I can talk to aging and fandom 😉
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas: Looks like you’re covered.
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances):
GLUTEN FREE Greed double size (Same as Mab, in case you think you’re seeing double!)
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those: $24.50
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? Chips are always good
Coffee or tea? I’ll bring some decaf tea
Whole fat, half, or trim milk? None needed
Pretty sure I have your account.
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Date: 2022-09-23 10:14 am (UTC)Current favourite fandom: Yuri!!! on Ice has been eating my life ever since Sinpoz, also Genshin Impact, with a soupçon of Star Wars prequels (I blame the Kenobi show)
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): Victuuri my blorbos on ice
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): a constant low-level background hum of Untamed, Dragons Age, Mass Effect and MCU
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here:
Oh god the puriteens. No, go away.
Almost all of my current fic reading is in fandoms where the queer relationship is canon, but that hasn't stopped my inhaling of fic. I read for different takes, different viewpoints, and sometimes just to feel the deliciousness of the original plot tension over and over (and over) again.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself: Nothing jumps to mind
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s): The discussions that have already been mooted are excellent
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas: I'd be happy to help out but looks like you have it covered.
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances):
Hell for both Liz and Rebecca!
1x milk choc unholy donut,
1x onion rings w sweet chili sauce,
1x double Purgatory, olives on one half and no mushrooms on the other half (i.e. one side has both olives and mushrooms, the other has neither)
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those: 39
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? Chippies and crudites
Hummus or sour cream dips? Hummus
Coke or juice? Coke
I said coke and my preferred version is: Grey coke (but honestly I'm pretty agnostic and will happily drink red or black coke, so don't get an extra kind just for me)
Coffee or tea? T
Whole fat, half, or trim milk? Half
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Date: 2022-09-26 04:30 am (UTC)Current favourite fandom: Fire Trucks, Fast & Furious movies I guess
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): Buck/Eddie, some stuff from F&F slowly percolating
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): not *really* but I have actually got a fandom so that's new
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here: I'm still out here absolutely reeling at the huge volume of extremely objectively bad fic in the Fire Trucks fandom, which I blame on the puriteens (who are up in it) but maybe also just... teens? I don't know. Why are they so devoid of creativity?
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself: what makes a fic "good"
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s): could also do that as a panelist
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas: totally, I love moderating stuff
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances): half a kilo of carolina reaper hot wings and a greek salad with lettuce, no feta, and balsamic vinaigrette dressing
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those: $35
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? crudites, and chips
Hummus or sour cream dips? hummus hummus hummus
Coke or juice? coke
I said coke and my preferred version is: diet, mm battery acid
Coffee or tea? coffee
Whole fat, half, or trim milk? none milk
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! (DM me the g/t bank account): please DM the bank account again!
Clare @ Masterton
I'm so late, sorry!
Date: 2022-09-29 07:41 am (UTC)tamarillow (twitter and dreamwidth), willowberry (on AO3, but I only bookmark)
Current favourite fandom:
The Untamed
Current OTP (or OT3 etc):
wangxian
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!):
Oh every year.
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here:
I reckon fic is still necessary. Of course I don't actually like watching narrative tv anyway, so my only contact with a lot of fandom is the fic. And a twitter eye view of what other people are enthusiatic about at the moment (hi #911!). Puriteens are irritating, but I am very sure I was an irritating teen myself, and have probably not entirely stopped yet, so I try not to let it bother me.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself:
Nothing springs to mind.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s):
No.
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas:
I mean, I'm willing to give it a try. I've never moderated a discussion though, so set your quality expectations low.
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances):
Pizza: Thin stretched snack Mordor and a Unholy donut (milk chocolate) please.
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those:
$22 (for work related reasons, I only barely stopped myself from typing NZ$22...)
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits?
More crudites and chips please
Hummus or sour cream dips?
Hummus please
Coke or juice?
Juice please.
I said coke and my preferred version is:
I said juice and I prefer apple/orange/other:
Eh, I'll drink all of it. My least preferred is tropical though.
Coffee or tea?
Coffee please.
Whole fat, half, or trim milk?
Whole fat please.
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! (DM me the g/t bank account):
I'm sure we have it by this point!
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Date: 2022-09-29 09:24 pm (UTC)Current favourite fandom: I've been steadily working my way through all the Georgette Heyer fics
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): Draco/Harry
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): Harry Potter, for my sins
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here: Depends on fandom. Even though a lot of shows/movies now have canonically queer characters, it's still rare that they get much limelight so lots of room for fic to fill out all the details! I do find myself less I NEED IT for fic for queer books though where the canon already does everything I want already.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself: N
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s): N
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas: N
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances): lamb shank and mash
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those: $17
Coffee or tea? Tea
Whole fat, half, or trim milk? Whole
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Date: 2022-09-29 10:39 pm (UTC)Current favourite fandom: Uh. Gaming? I really don't know. Maybe podcasts?
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): I don't think I have one?
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): Watched s3 DW for the pimp reel and was like oh yes this was the good shit.
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here: I struggle to find representations of deep platonic friendships because so often they're sexualised it seems like a lot of show runners aren't prepared to have those relationships present for something that isn't end game. I miss the ambiguous space.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself: Not a discussion but I have a thing on The Master in previous and current seasons.
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances): Green Demon.
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those: $12.50
For reasons that don’t need exploring at this juncture I won’t be staying for the pizza party.
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? It's fine.
Hummus or sour cream dips? Hummus
Coke or juice? Neither.
I said coke and my preferred version is: N/A
I said juice and I prefer apple/orange/other: N/A
Coffee or tea? Tea.
Whole fat, half, or trim milk? N/A
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Date: 2022-09-29 11:30 pm (UTC)Extremely deep dive sequel to my 2007 OG Master-stanning. Super looking forward to this. :D:D:D
Casey is late but hi
Date: 2022-09-30 01:14 am (UTC)Current favourite fandom: Not really reading any fic or participating in any fandoms atm but enjoying Evil (TV) and The Witcher (various) still
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): Genuinely not shipping much atm, sell me on yours. Having a mild Scott Summers/Emma Frost flare I suppose
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): Some of my fav old X-Men issues are getting physical rereleases and that has begun a rumbling
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here:
As someone who got my writing start with fanfic and now writes professionally in video games, comics, and books, I have a lot of feelings on the subject. It occurred to me earlier this year that I have not worked on a single video game that didn't have canon queer content. Not a single one! Ever! I do not think a career like mine would have been possible not that long ago.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s): I am running a perfume/cosmetics swap! Will have a look at the weather to determine schedule so we don't stink up the joint and make folks sit in our fug.
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances): Chicken salad with coriander+lime dressing, jalapeno poppers with chipotle mayo
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those: $19.50
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? Been fiending for corn /doritos type shit lately if anyone else shares the need.
Hummus or sour cream dips? Cream.
Coke or juice? Coke.
I said coke and my preferred version is: Any of the non sugary varieties.
Coffee or tea? Coffee.
Whole fat, half, or trim milk? No preference.
TY as always to arysteia for getting this down the assembly line!
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Date: 2022-09-30 02:21 am (UTC)Public pseuds (especially if your dw handle isn't the one we know you by on lj/twitter): nmarlow
Current favourite fandom: 911 re Feelings! The Untamed for reading fic.
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): Jiang Cheng/His Feelings
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): Star Wars i guess.
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here: It hasn't changed it, I read what I like and if I don't like it I nope out. I'm too sheltered in my little hobbit hole to have come across any puriteens but they seem intense!
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself: No.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s): No.
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas: No, but I really appreciate the people who are brave enough to do it!
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances): Greed pizza (double size and regular base) and lemon pepper wedges with garlic mayo dip.
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those: $28
For reasons that don’t need exploring at this juncture I won’t be staying for the pizza party.
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? Chips.
Hummus or sour cream dips? Dips.
Coke or juice? Coke
I said coke and my preferred version is: The new no sugar one?
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! (DM me the g/t bank account): Paid into the account # you gave us for 2019 G/t
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Date: 2022-10-04 07:29 am (UTC)Awwwww irl lol
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Date: 2022-09-30 03:46 am (UTC)Current favourite fandom: Scum Villain, Ace Attorney, Deltarune, Dracula (thanks dracula daily), Zelda, webtoons
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): Shen Yuan/Binghe, Phoenix/Edgeworth, Eve/Villaneve, Jonathan/Mina, Link/everyone
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): Video games!! I've been playing remasters of a lot of old games and picking up more games this year.
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom? Fic still necessary? Just fun now? Still better thought out than lazy shoehorning? Worse than ever? Too many puriteens? Sound off here:
I always want fic! I love having more gay canon ships and it makes my heart sing. Discourse in fandom is eternal and eternally stupid so I always try to mostly have fun with friends I know. I rarely if ever interact with broader fandom.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself: Nah
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s): any other manga/horror fans out there /rattles cup
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas: Nah
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances): Dazyndara has taken care of this
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? Crudites and chips
Hummus or sour cream dips? hummus, with a special vote for onion dip
Coke or juice? Juice
I said juice and I prefer apple/orange/other: Cranberry/pomegranate (I'm aware this is a bit fancy, feel free to ignore)
Coffee or tea? Coffee
Whole fat, half, or trim milk? Half
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! (DM me the g/t bank account): dazyndara, once again, has taken care of this for me
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Date: 2022-10-02 10:10 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2022-09-30 06:32 am (UTC)Public pseuds: archiesfrog everywhere
Current favourite fandom: Drifting at the moment. I'm mostly reading in Untamed/CQL and Star Wars.
Current OTP (or OT3 etc): None!
Are you having a Renaissance (tm) this year (or every year!): Star Wars
Food for Thought
How does better (arguably) queer rep in canon affect your relationship with fandom?Sound off here: I think there is more choice, both in canon and fandom spaces, and both of those are good things! I think I personally get less invested in canon if it does not require fixing in some way, but that way does not always need to be the relationship.
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like to run the discussion myself: Not really
I have an idea for something I would like us to discuss and I would like it to get into the main panel section(s): I have been thinking about TV fandoms and streaming and the difference season releases vs weekly releases makes to fannish community. I don't think there's a full discussion in it but it does continue to interest me...
I would potentially be willing to moderate a discussion given arysteia is exhausted and labellementeuse (tui_talk) is overseas: Yes
Actual Food
My Hell Pizza order for Saturday night is (please bold or ALL CAPS any allergies/intolerances): Veggie Mischief with forked tongue chili and olives
It costs this much, which I will add to my subs when I pay those: $24.50
More crudites, more chips, or more biscuits? Crudites
Hummus or sour cream dips? Hummus
Coke or juice? None thanks.
Coffee or tea? Tea
Whole fat, half, or trim milk? Whole fat